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You do realize that Europe is part of the US aligned world and the only thing preventing Europe from becoming Putin's playground is NATO?

mahouse 11y ago
I would rather allow Europe to become Putin's playground than to allow the current situation to continue.
- mineshaftgap 11y ago
  I hope you get your wish.
joeyspn 11y ago
Aligned? That's why they won't allow us Europeans to vote NO to TTIP and they have to discuss and approve it in secrecy. The citizens of Europe are not aligned with anyone. We've had enough with two WW.
- mineshaftgap 11y ago
  Holy fuck people get confused. Exactly how are Americans stopping you from voting? You don't think Europe and the US are aligned? Hate can be blinding. Has a there ever been even a single EU candidate that ran on an anti-US platform? If not why not?
  - mahouse 11y ago
    Because you can't win an election without the blessing of the media, and guess who controls it.
  - joeyspn 11y ago
    > Exactly how are Americans stopping you from voting? Who said “Americans”? I’m just saying “they”, and “they” are the bribed politicians [0] (both in the US and Europe). “They” don’t want us to vote [1] because they know We (the citizens) are not aligned with everything that USA or ANYONE says and does. > Hate can be blinding. Has a there ever been even a single EU candidate that ran on an anti-US platform? LOL, who is telling you that being neutral is being anti-american? chillax dude. I’m just anti-war and anti-media-bullshit, like any libertarian able to read between the lines (even american ones [2]). Get your facts straight. [0] http://venturebeat.com/2015/09/04/creative-commons-founder-larry-lessig-is-running-for-president-the-system-is-rigged/ http://venturebeat.com/2015/09/04/creative-commons-founder-l... [1] http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/09/ttip-biggest-threat-democracy-youve-never-heard http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/09/ttip-biggest-th... [2] http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/ http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/
    - happyscrappy 11y ago
      It is clear who tou meant when you said they, but I can see why you want to backtrack. And despite popular confusion it will be voted on so Europeans will have only their own government to blame if it passes.
    - tzs 11y ago
      There is no vote on TPIP because there is no TPIP. When negotiators agree on what TPIP is, so that there is actually something to vote on, it will be voted on by whatever body normally votes on laws in most countries.

mahouse 11y ago

I would rather allow Europe to become Putin's playground than to allow the current situation to continue.

mineshaftgap 11y ago
I hope you get your wish.

joeyspn 11y ago

Aligned? That's why they won't allow us Europeans to vote NO to TTIP and they have to discuss and approve it in secrecy. The citizens of Europe are not aligned with anyone. We've had enough with two WW.

mineshaftgap 11y ago
Holy fuck people get confused. Exactly how are Americans stopping you from voting? You don't think Europe and the US are aligned? Hate can be blinding. Has a there ever been even a single EU candidate that ran on an anti-US platform? If not why not?
- mahouse 11y ago
  Because you can't win an election without the blessing of the media, and guess who controls it.
- joeyspn 11y ago
  > Exactly how are Americans stopping you from voting? Who said “Americans”? I’m just saying “they”, and “they” are the bribed politicians [0] (both in the US and Europe). “They” don’t want us to vote [1] because they know We (the citizens) are not aligned with everything that USA or ANYONE says and does. > Hate can be blinding. Has a there ever been even a single EU candidate that ran on an anti-US platform? LOL, who is telling you that being neutral is being anti-american? chillax dude. I’m just anti-war and anti-media-bullshit, like any libertarian able to read between the lines (even american ones [2]). Get your facts straight. [0] http://venturebeat.com/2015/09/04/creative-commons-founder-larry-lessig-is-running-for-president-the-system-is-rigged/ http://venturebeat.com/2015/09/04/creative-commons-founder-l... [1] http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/09/ttip-biggest-threat-democracy-youve-never-heard http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/09/ttip-biggest-th... [2] http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/ http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/
  - happyscrappy 11y ago
    It is clear who tou meant when you said they, but I can see why you want to backtrack. And despite popular confusion it will be voted on so Europeans will have only their own government to blame if it passes.
  - tzs 11y ago
    There is no vote on TPIP because there is no TPIP. When negotiators agree on what TPIP is, so that there is actually something to vote on, it will be voted on by whatever body normally votes on laws in most countries.