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I have absolutely no love for the man, but he had some amazing visions of the future back then.

MCRed 11y ago
He was an amazing man. All of the hate is because he dared to follow that vision where it went, instead of merely being a vendor of software for Microsoft, or subservient to Google (eg: Apple built the entire infrastructure to do maps merely because Google wanted to sell apple customers information.) I've yet to meet a Steve Jobs hater who actually understood what the guy did. The steve jobs hate is all ideological and comes form the Apple hate which comes from people getting sold PCs by pimply nosed kids in the 1990s and being jealous of their friends much superior macintoshes (which fwiw, since the mid 1990s have been cheaper than comparable PCs, yet the myth is spread otherwise still to this day, because you can go buy a tagamochi for $4.99 and claim it's cheaper than a macintosh, and therefore the mac is overpriced.) So, yeah, you should re-think what you believe about this guy and learn a bit about the real history. I've been following him since the late 1980s, and he's always been a passionate, compassionate, genuine, honest and opinionated guy.
- almightysmudge 11y ago
  I'd suggest reading any of his biographies or watching Pirates of Silicon Valley. My problem is not with Apple at all, it's with the man himself.
  - nbevans 11y ago
    What has he done to you to make you so upset about him?
    - almightysmudge 11y ago
      That's a very odd question to ask. I mentioned a distaste for him, not any sort of active upset. Kim Jong Un (deliberately avoiding reductio ad hitlerum) has done nothing to me personally, and I have to say I'm not a fan. Edit: I don't like the way he treat his friends, family, staff or even applicants, details you can get by reading the biographies or watching the documentaries as I've said before.
    - nbevans 11y ago
      Well you explicitly said you had a problem with him, not his company Apple. Then referenced him next to the North Korean leader. You clearly have an issue with him? It's just interesting to see what that may be and whether it might able to be substantiated.
  - stevehawk 11y ago
    No no no. Like the Steve Jobs fanboy said - you hate him because he made Apple and changed the world. You don't hate him because he treated his employees like shit. Screwed many of them out of stock options. Turned his back on his own child. Created one of the largest walled gardens in the IT world. yada yada yada. Get over your PC Master Race ideals, bro.
    - dang 11y ago
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- rustynails 11y ago
  Amazing vision is true. Narcissist is true. Compassionate and Steve Jobs don't belong in the same sentence. He rejected his own daughter for many years - but he secretly admitted it (the Lisa computer). Pirates of Silicon Valley + feedback from Woz + Gates on the movie is worthwhile to understand Steve, as is Issacson's biography on Steve Jobs. I have very mixed feelings on the man.
oqnet 11y ago
You don't have to have love, but you've got to give him some respect. I feel the same way.

MCRed 11y ago

He was an amazing man. All of the hate is because he dared to follow that vision where it went, instead of merely being a vendor of software for Microsoft, or subservient to Google (eg: Apple built the entire infrastructure to do maps merely because Google wanted to sell apple customers information.) I've yet to meet a Steve Jobs hater who actually understood what the guy did. The steve jobs hate is all ideological and comes form the Apple hate which comes from people getting sold PCs by pimply nosed kids in the 1990s and being jealous of their friends much superior macintoshes (which fwiw, since the mid 1990s have been cheaper than comparable PCs, yet the myth is spread otherwise still to this day, because you can go buy a tagamochi for $4.99 and claim it's cheaper than a macintosh, and therefore the mac is overpriced.) So, yeah, you should re-think what you believe about this guy and learn a bit about the real history. I've been following him since the late 1980s, and he's always been a passionate, compassionate, genuine, honest and opinionated guy.

almightysmudge 11y ago
I'd suggest reading any of his biographies or watching Pirates of Silicon Valley. My problem is not with Apple at all, it's with the man himself.
- nbevans 11y ago
  What has he done to you to make you so upset about him?
  - almightysmudge 11y ago
    That's a very odd question to ask. I mentioned a distaste for him, not any sort of active upset. Kim Jong Un (deliberately avoiding reductio ad hitlerum) has done nothing to me personally, and I have to say I'm not a fan. Edit: I don't like the way he treat his friends, family, staff or even applicants, details you can get by reading the biographies or watching the documentaries as I've said before.
  - nbevans 11y ago
    Well you explicitly said you had a problem with him, not his company Apple. Then referenced him next to the North Korean leader. You clearly have an issue with him? It's just interesting to see what that may be and whether it might able to be substantiated.
- stevehawk 11y ago
  No no no. Like the Steve Jobs fanboy said - you hate him because he made Apple and changed the world. You don't hate him because he treated his employees like shit. Screwed many of them out of stock options. Turned his back on his own child. Created one of the largest walled gardens in the IT world. yada yada yada. Get over your PC Master Race ideals, bro.
  - dang 11y ago
    This comment breaks the HN guidelines. Please follow them: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html We don't need you to like Steve Jobs, but we do need you to either comment civilly and substantively here, or not at all.
rustynails 11y ago
Amazing vision is true. Narcissist is true. Compassionate and Steve Jobs don't belong in the same sentence. He rejected his own daughter for many years - but he secretly admitted it (the Lisa computer). Pirates of Silicon Valley + feedback from Woz + Gates on the movie is worthwhile to understand Steve, as is Issacson's biography on Steve Jobs. I have very mixed feelings on the man.

oqnet 11y ago

You don't have to have love, but you've got to give him some respect. I feel the same way.