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I'm totally cool with Facebook mining my data if their open source keeps up this pace. GraphQL + Relay are total game changers for structuring web + mobile appl

I'm totally cool with Facebook mining my data if their open source keeps up this pace. GraphQL + Relay are total game changers for structuring web + mobile applications. Code bases get cleaner and more reliable. Less data gets sent over the wire. Other cool libraries are going to be built on top of Relay (I'm pretty excited to see what can be done now with ClojureScript components in .cljc files). This is so awesome. Much love to everyone at Facebook that has made this possible. With React, React Native, Rebound, GraphQL, Relay etc... You're saving us all from drowning in complexity when buiding web/mobile apps and I love it. Keep fighting the good fight.

graffitici 11y ago
Can you expand on what you mean by "what can be done with ClojureScript components in .cljc files"? Is Facebook also working with ClojureScript?
- petrbela 11y ago
  ClojureScript community is pretty close to React (see e.g. Om), and since React 0.13 supports plain classes, they can be written in CS. So FB itself might not be doing anything with CS but enables the CS community to work in the same ecosystem.
- AlwaysBCoding 11y ago
  Well the whole idea of Relay is to couple together the rendering logic of a UI component with the data fetching requirement of the component. So if you change the rendering logic of the component, the data that is fetched from the server will also change with it and you'll never be over/under fetching data. But inside the UI component you're really just defining the schema of the data to be returned from the server, you're actually implementing how to fetch that schema from the database somewhere else in your codebase. Clojure 1.7 introduces a new file-type with extension .cljc that can load in both Clojure and ClojureScript. Which means you should be able to define both your React component AND the Server side implementation of the data fetching schema all from one file. Pretty frickin' cool if you ask me. One file, one component, that knows how to render itself, fetch it's data and serialize it's data.
aaron-lebo 11y ago
So I'm drinking the React kool aid, anyway, but this stuff has hardly been out in the wild. People have been saying tech X saves us from complexity for decades (OOP, noSQL, Knockout, Angular, etc...), and after a few years of use we realize it's not actually a magic bullet. Again, I'm drinking the kool aid, but maybe we should slow down on the hyperbole. Unless there are reasons to believe that things really are different this time? Also, totally not okay with how FB mines data; they don't get a pass on that. Their OSS work is top notch, though. Now only if someone would take their own technology and beat them with it. A little guerilla warfare.
- bwy 11y ago
  OT: At this point, I am so confused at what "drinking the Kool-Aid" even means. People on the Internet seem to use it for every meaning possible. I was surprised to see that it has its own Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid. And it seems like you mean exactly the opposite of what you've said, based on that definition - you're not drinking the React Kool-Aid, or drinking the anti-React Kool-Aid. I'm not trying to impose grammar OCD on anyone by any means. Like I implied, I'm probably one of the more ignorant people about these phrases. I just think it's confusing when people say things like "could care less" and "drinking Kool-Aid" when they actually mean the complete opposite. It's very bizarre to me but OTOH I guess it's fascinating that English is just that flexible.
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  - albertoleal 11y ago
    He meant exactly what he said. Haven't you heard? There are tons of new JS framework being churned out annually, and each time it's hailed as the holy grail to all our problems.
  - untog 11y ago
    I think his suggestion is that he is drinking the Kool-Aid while internally questioning whether it is a good idea for him to be drinking the Kool-Aid. Which, I agree, is sort of a contradiction, but a parseable one.
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graffitici 11y ago

Can you expand on what you mean by "what can be done with ClojureScript components in .cljc files"? Is Facebook also working with ClojureScript?

petrbela 11y ago
ClojureScript community is pretty close to React (see e.g. Om), and since React 0.13 supports plain classes, they can be written in CS. So FB itself might not be doing anything with CS but enables the CS community to work in the same ecosystem.
AlwaysBCoding 11y ago
Well the whole idea of Relay is to couple together the rendering logic of a UI component with the data fetching requirement of the component. So if you change the rendering logic of the component, the data that is fetched from the server will also change with it and you'll never be over/under fetching data. But inside the UI component you're really just defining the schema of the data to be returned from the server, you're actually implementing how to fetch that schema from the database somewhere else in your codebase. Clojure 1.7 introduces a new file-type with extension .cljc that can load in both Clojure and ClojureScript. Which means you should be able to define both your React component AND the Server side implementation of the data fetching schema all from one file. Pretty frickin' cool if you ask me. One file, one component, that knows how to render itself, fetch it's data and serialize it's data.

aaron-lebo 11y ago

So I'm drinking the React kool aid, anyway, but this stuff has hardly been out in the wild. People have been saying tech X saves us from complexity for decades (OOP, noSQL, Knockout, Angular, etc...), and after a few years of use we realize it's not actually a magic bullet. Again, I'm drinking the kool aid, but maybe we should slow down on the hyperbole. Unless there are reasons to believe that things really are different this time? Also, totally not okay with how FB mines data; they don't get a pass on that. Their OSS work is top notch, though. Now only if someone would take their own technology and beat them with it. A little guerilla warfare.

bwy 11y ago
OT: At this point, I am so confused at what "drinking the Kool-Aid" even means. People on the Internet seem to use it for every meaning possible. I was surprised to see that it has its own Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid. And it seems like you mean exactly the opposite of what you've said, based on that definition - you're not drinking the React Kool-Aid, or drinking the anti-React Kool-Aid. I'm not trying to impose grammar OCD on anyone by any means. Like I implied, I'm probably one of the more ignorant people about these phrases. I just think it's confusing when people say things like "could care less" and "drinking Kool-Aid" when they actually mean the complete opposite. It's very bizarre to me but OTOH I guess it's fascinating that English is just that flexible.
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- albertoleal 11y ago
  He meant exactly what he said. Haven't you heard? There are tons of new JS framework being churned out annually, and each time it's hailed as the holy grail to all our problems.
- untog 11y ago
  I think his suggestion is that he is drinking the Kool-Aid while internally questioning whether it is a good idea for him to be drinking the Kool-Aid. Which, I agree, is sort of a contradiction, but a parseable one.

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